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George Will Plays Rough With Jimmy Carter
MartyB
2005-08-11 19:37:56 UTC
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Interesting column from Will on Carter's continued reporting that Will stole
a debate breifing book for Reagan. I didn't know anything about this issue
before but I again find it sad that my respect for Carter continues to
diminish.

MartyB

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/10/AR2005081001
796.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns

Briefing Book Baloney

By George F. Will

Thursday, August 11, 2005; Page A23

A quarter of a century has passed since 44 states said "No, thanks" to Jimmy
Carter's offer to serve a second term, yet he still evidently thinks his
loss is explained not by foreign policy debacles, such as invading Iran with
eight helicopters, and a misery index -- inflation plus unemployment -- of
22, almost triple today's index. Rather, he seems to think approximately
this:

Ronald Reagan won because he won the only debate. He won it not because of
Carter's debate performance ("I had a discussion with my daughter, Amy, the
other day, before I came here, to ask her what the most important issue was.
She said she thought nuclear weaponry . . .") but only because Reagan had
Carter's briefing book. And Reagan had it because this columnist gave it to
him.


That last accusation, for which there is no evidence, is, as he has been
told, false. But he is a recidivist fibber. Last Oct. 21, on National Public
Radio, he said: "We found out later that one of Ronald Reagan's supporters
inside the White House had stolen my briefing book, my top-secret briefing
book that prepared me for the debate. And a very prominent news reporter was
the one who took the briefing book to Ronald Reagan and helped drill him on
the things that I might say if he said certain things." Asked who that
reporter was, Carter replied, "It was George Will, and it was later known
that he did that."

But one cannot know what isn't so, and "top secret" is a government
classification inapplicable to campaign fodder. Still, Carter continues to
retail -- and to embroider -- his fable. Recently in a Plains, Ga., church,
he illustrated his aptitude for the virtue of forgiveness by saying that
once, after columnist Will read a report of his telling his briefing book
tale, Will wrote to him "asking for forgiveness."

Well. The only letter I ever wrote to Carter was in response to one he wrote
to me on Oct. 29, 1993. His letter began: "For a number of years I have felt
some resentment toward you because of the reports that you either knew about
or actually used my personal briefing book in preparing Reagan for our
campaign debates [sic]." He added:

"Because of this feeling, and despite my lifetime interest in baseball, I
even refrained from reading your 'Men at Work.' Recently, in order to learn
how to be a better Braves fan next year, I spent $1 in a used bookstore for
the book, and really enjoyed it.

"Even if the news stories about the debate incident are true, I feel that we
are even now.

"Best wishes,

"Jimmy Carter"


My Nov. 10 reply was untainted by any request for forgiveness:

"Dear President Carter:

"I am delighted that you have at long last overcome your repugnance and
given yourself the pleasure of 'Men at Work.' I am distressed, as I suspect
you naughtily knew I would be, to learn that this masterwork was found in a
used bookstore. That is more evidence of the decline of Western
civilization."

Then, to the point:

"Regarding your briefing book, I will tell you what I have told many others.
When I got to David Stockman's house on the day he was preparing to play the
role of you in the debate preparations, he had on his kitchen table what I
gather was the briefing book. I do not know how he got it; more to the
point, I do not know who thought having it would be helpful. Frankly, you
deserved better. My cursory glance at it convinced me that it was a crashing
bore and next to useless -- for you, or for anyone else."


Even though, as a columnist, my support for Reagan was well-known, my
participation in his debate preparation was as inappropriate as it was
superfluous -- after three decades of public advocacy, Reagan was ready .
And speaking of the inappropriate:

The role of ex-president requires a grace and restraint notably absent from
Carter. See, for example, his criticism of the United States when he is
abroad, as in England two weeks ago. Having made such disappointing history
as president, Carter as ex-president should at least refrain from
disseminating a historical falsehood.

So strong, however, is the human impulse to believe comforting myths that
Carter probably will continue to promulgate the fiction that I gave Reagan
the utterly unimportant briefing book, thereby catalyzing the 1980
landslide. But to be fair: As a candidate, Carter promised only that as
president he would never tell a lie, thereby leaving himself a loophole for
his post-presidential career as a fabulist.
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MartyB
2005-08-11 20:12:29 UTC
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Post by MartyB
Interesting column from Will on Carter's continued reporting that Will stole
a debate breifing book for Reagan. I didn't know anything about this issue
before but I again find it sad that my respect for Carter continues to
diminish.

MartyB

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/10/AR2005081001
796.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns

Briefing Book Baloney<<

The OpinionJournal guys had a funny comment about this:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007093

Columnst George Will settles a score with Jimmy Carter and reminds us of
just how petty Carter is....

So Carter (a) nurses this trivial grudge for 13 years (and still is after 25
years), (b) refuses to read Will's book because of it, (c) feels vindicated
when he finds it on the remainder table, and (d) writes a letter to Will
boasting about (c)! Next to this guy, Bill Clinton is Winston Churchill.
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Bruce Geerdes
2005-08-11 20:44:59 UTC
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Post by MartyB
So Carter (a) nurses this trivial grudge for 13 years (and still is after 25
years), (b) refuses to read Will's book because of it, (c) feels vindicated
when he finds it on the remainder table, and (d) writes a letter to Will
boasting about (c)! Next to this guy, Bill Clinton is Winston Churchill.
Huh, I just thought it was a funny letter from Carter. George Will
replied in kind.

Bruce
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MartyB
2005-08-11 21:19:54 UTC
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So Carter (a) nurses this trivial grudge for 13 years (and still is after 25
years), (b) refuses to read Will's book because of it, (c) feels vindicated
when he finds it on the remainder table, and (d) writes a letter to Will
boasting about (c)! Next to this guy, Bill Clinton is Winston Churchill.
Huh, I just thought it was a funny letter from Carter. George Will
replied in kind.<<

Really? It's funny that a former president holds a grudge for so long
against someone for something there is no evidence for - even to the point
of not buying that person's book? Especially a president so publicly moral
and christian? I would call it sad and graceless, myself.

I thought Will return letter showed much more grace, evne thouhgt it was he
having to defend himself.

MartyB - always amazed at how different people view the same
information.....
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Bruce Geerdes
2005-08-11 21:40:52 UTC
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Huh, I just thought it was a funny letter from Carter. George Will
replied in kind.<<
Really? It's funny that a former president holds a grudge for so long
against someone for something there is no evidence for - even to the point
of not buying that person's book? Especially a president so publicly moral
and christian? I would call it sad and graceless, myself.
And I'd say it's an act of humility to reveal this holding of a grudge
to Will and funny to call them "even" -- even if Will was responsible
for Carter's political downfall -- because Carter got the book for $1.

Bruce
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S***@public.gmane.org
2005-08-11 20:52:06 UTC
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In a message dated 8/11/2005 3:48:40 PM Central Standard Time,
Post by Bruce Geerdes
Post by MartyB
So Carter (a) nurses this trivial grudge for 13 years (and still is after
25
Post by Bruce Geerdes
Post by MartyB
years), (b) refuses to read Will's book because of it, (c) feels vindicated
when he finds it on the remainder table, and (d) writes a letter to Will
boasting about (c)! Next to this guy, Bill Clinton is Winston Churchill.
Huh, I just thought it was a funny letter from Carter. George Will
replied in kind.
Yeah, it's hard to tell just from Carter's letter whether his mood when
writing it was playful or vindictive or what.
MartyB
2005-08-11 21:24:39 UTC
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Post by Bruce Geerdes
Post by MartyB
So Carter (a) nurses this trivial grudge for 13 years (and still is after
25
Post by Bruce Geerdes
Post by MartyB
years), (b) refuses to read Will's book because of it, (c) feels vindicated
when he finds it on the remainder table, and (d) writes a letter to Will
boasting about (c)! Next to this guy, Bill Clinton is Winston Churchill.
Huh, I just thought it was a funny letter from Carter. George Will
replied in kind.
Yeah, it's hard to tell just from Carter's letter whether his mood when
writing it was playful or vindictive or what. <<

Well, on second reading, I suppose that's true. There might be a certain
playfulness to the part of his letter Will excerpts. So I'll give him the
benefit of the doubt I guess.

Hardly excuses him for lying recently about how Will supposedly asked for
forgiveness though......

MartyB
MartyB
2005-08-11 21:33:07 UTC
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Post by Bruce Geerdes
Post by Bruce Geerdes
Huh, I just thought it was a funny letter from Carter. George Will
replied in kind.
Yeah, it's hard to tell just from Carter's letter whether his mood when
writing it was playful or vindictive or what. <<

Well, on second reading, I suppose that's true. There might be a certain
playfulness to the part of his letter Will excerpts. So I'll give him the
benefit of the doubt I guess.

Hardly excuses him for lying recently about how Will supposedly asked for
forgiveness though......

MartyB <<

....also amazed how a quick sensible comment can make me change my mind...
thanks Steve.

MartyB
Thom Gladhill
2005-08-12 12:15:10 UTC
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Post by MartyB
Really? It's funny that a former president holds a grudge for so long
against someone for something there is no evidence for - even to the point
of not buying that person's book? Especially a president so publicly moral
and christian? I would call it sad and graceless, myself.
But you are assuming that this is the spirit in which the letter is written. BTW, you could probably find most presidents held life long grudges. Heck, there are plenty of pre-9/11 quotes and pre-iraq war quotes that show Bush still harbored a grudge against Saddam for what happened with his father and the first Gulf War. Carrying a grudge seems par for the course for presidents. I see no reason to be harder on Carter than any other.
Post by MartyB
I thought Will return letter showed much more grace, evne thouhgt it was he
having to defend himself.
MartyB - always amazed at how different people view the same
information.....
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MartyB
2005-08-12 18:56:37 UTC
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Really? It's funny that a former president holds a grudge for so long
against someone for something there is no evidence for - even to the point
of not buying that person's book? Especially a president so publicly moral
and christian? I would call it sad and graceless, myself.
But you are assuming that this is the spirit in which the letter is written.<<

As you see from later posts I came around to that way of thinking pretty quick.
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BTW, you could probably find most presidents held life long grudges. Heck, there are plenty of pre-9/11 quotes and pre-iraq war quotes that show Bush still harbored a grudge against Saddam for what happened with his father and the first Gulf War. Carrying a grudge seems par for the course for presidents. I see no reason to be harder on Carter than any other.<<
Not a terribly good analogy however because, if Bush was holding a grudge as you say, it was over Saddam trying to assassinate his father, which is a far cry from stealing a debate book.

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Thom Gladhill
2005-08-12 23:59:54 UTC
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As you see from later posts I came around to that way of thinking pretty quick.
But I only got to that letter later. :)
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Not a terribly good analogy however because, if Bush was holding a grudge as you say, it was over Saddam trying to assassinate his father, which is a far cry from stealing a debate book.
But for a Christian, that's no better reason to hold a grudge than stealing a book. Scripture doesn't seem to suggest there is EVER a good reason to hold a grudge.
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MartyB
2005-08-13 00:40:06 UTC
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Not a terribly good analogy however because, if Bush was holding a grudge as you say, it was over Saddam trying to assassinate his father, which is a far cry from stealing a debate book.
But for a Christian, that's no better reason to hold a grudge than stealing a book. Scripture doesn't seem to suggest there is EVER a good reason to hold a grudge.<<

No doubt, but one instance can still be more petty to hold onto than another, wouldn't you agree?

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Thom Gladhill
2005-08-15 12:08:48 UTC
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No doubt, but one instance can still be more petty to hold onto than another, wouldn't you agree?
Honestly? Nope. It's no better to hold a grudge over one thing than another.
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